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Cindy Stone

Tuesday morning I turn down Snow King pulling a 3 horse trailer to find the road is blocked by white poles in my lane. This must be an event route, a bicycle parade or race, there is enough room for 5 bikes abreast.
Oh no, the Start Bus!?
Now that could have been a wreck.
What were they thinking? While I’m going out of my mind, there wasn’t a biicycle in sight.
We are not Portland,Oregon nor do we want to be.

Craig Knecht

Bike lanes are wide and safe, but the vehicle lanes are way too narrow for trucks towing horse trailers to the rodeo grounds. When two large vehicles pass each other you have the choice of running over a bollard or losing your side view mirror when it is out in towing mode. The idea is OK but the implementation with the wide bike lanes and narrow vehicle lanes is a problem.

Jim Miller

Love them. Avoided town with the kids in tow. Now we have the option. I don’t get why it bothers anyone. Less texting and driving I guess?

Valerie Music

Does the fact that we have 3-5 million visitors pass through Jackson in the summer reflect on any of the decisions pathways promoters are making? Directing parents with children and tourist on rental bikes through the heart of downtown Jackson and the most dangerous streets in this community. What parents in their right mind would have their kids on these streets.

Carrie Geraci

The new bike lanes on Snow King make me feel safer and they slow traffic way down. Thank you for encouraging safe alternative transportation options.

bob culver

So, you are saying that the bollards and the narrow traffic lanes are to make driving more difficult and thus to "encourage" ... alternative transportation (to force people to give up cars and trucks)?

That road has sidewalks on both sides, a line of trees being maintained on both sides, bike paths (nearly as wide as the traffic lanes) on both sides and two traffic lanes (with occasional turn lanes). If you want isolated bike lanes put them behind the trees and next to the sidewalks.

The bollards have become unintentional targets of vehicles, they are already showing lots of marks from being hit. How soon will unexpectedly hitting one cause a driver to reflexively swerve and get into an accidental collision with damage or injury? Might "Nail the Bollard" become a late night game? What is the cost of maintaining the paint and replacing the bollards? Some times the cost (dollars and physical burden) of a thing is just not worth the hoped for benefit.

This looks like a solution in search of a problem and another step in the effort to get cars off the streets - no mater what the consequences or burden on drivers.

Bob Culver

Marylee White

It's a bit of an exaggeration that the bike lanes are nearly as big as the driving lanes, Bob. You better get out your measuring tape.

Valerie Music

With all due respect Marylee, you do not live in our district. Brian Lenz who is in charge of this project has informed me we need to keep the pathways plowed all winter long to assure the little children get to school safely. The pathways were kept in better shape that or ROADS the winter before last. All for one sole fat biker I did see making some daily treks. The town planners and Lenz, I suppose. pulled the project that would have had our side of the street designed so that my car and any visitor would have to park out in the street with the semis START bus zooming down a narrow street that should never have been designed a throughfare. A disaster and putting motorized vehicle at risk of collusion. What part of "we are under snow most of the winter" here in these mountains does your pathways agenda not understand. Why are my tax dollars promoting nothing more than summer enjoyment? Can we poll haw many parent are going to send their kids off to school on a fat bike in the dead of winter?

bob culver

My eyeball estimation about the comparative width of the lanes brought your reply, "Bob. You better get out your measuring tape.”

So I did. Here are the results.

Measured on Snow King Avenue, just west of intersection with Virginian Lane near the library, the road and right-of-way from the north to the south sides, consists of: a 6-1/2 Foot sidewalk, a 6 Ft grass median, 9-1/2 Ft bike lane (to the center of the double stripe, and a 10-1/2 Ft travel lane (again center to center of the double stripe. That pattern is repeated across the other side of the road. Therefore the claim that the bike path is nearly as wide as the traffic lanes (90% in this case) is confirmed and accurate. With minor variations the road and bike lanes appear the same along the entire Snow King Avenue project length.

What do the two 9-1/2 Foot wide bike lanes get you? Plenty of room for bicycle traffic, especially since that is one way traffic in each of the two lanes.

Lets compare that to other roads, bike lanes and paths. The bike path at the Garaman Park entrance, at 315 Crabtree Lane, measures 8-1/2 feet wide WITH A CENTER STRIPE, yielding two 4-1/2 wide lanes for opposing travel. Other bike paths are similar, with center stripe two way travel. Checking the situation on the south side of West Broadway at the McDonald's restaurant yields: a side walk 8 feet wide, a 3 foot grass median and a 6 foot bike path abutting the road. This bike path is immediately adjacent to a major road.

How wide are other travel lanes? The road in front of the Library (not at the drop off cutout), just around the corner from where Snow King Avenue was measured, is 20-1/2 feet for each lane. Allowing for a measured 7 foot parking space occupied at the curb yields a 13-1/2 foot travel lane, about 30% more than on Snow King Avenue.

The physical barrier imposed by the bollards is a seriously distracting condition for driving the avenue. Looking at the bollards it is evident that many, nearly 80% of those on curves and intersections, show significant impact damage. This damage is especially evident at the junction of side streets, at the rodeo ground and elsewhere. Large trucks with trailers rounding curves tend to the inside of their turn and clip the bollards. When driving along the avenue and encountering a town bus coming the other way, the bus was on the double yellow lines in the straight sections and over them around corners.

These changes on Snow King Avenue were a bad move.

Bob Culver

Valerie Music

The town planners, news sources and our electeds have been "encouraging" alternative transportation for almost a decade now. How many ways and by what means can they nudge a community that is not buying "free passes" on wheels, etc: If a product is not selling, it must not be a good product. In the private sector, a good product would "sell itself." I would like to see all our elected officials, town planners, board members going into their meetings, wind, rain, sleet or snow, using pathways or START as their mode of transportation. Then we may take them seriously.

Wayne Grim

Who voted for that?

bob culver

I give them 3 months before they are gone.
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